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in the setup piece, consequences of hitting the debt ceiling are catastrophic. the problem is nobody knows just how catastrophic because it's never happened before. we're totally in the realm of economic and financial theory. nobody has any idea what would happen. everybody agrees very bad or very, very bad or very, very, very bad. >> in the very, very category, that's where you are. >> how many veries. >> multiple, before the bad like my friend eamon just said. if you think about anyone who lends money not just to the united states but across the globe will insist upon if the united states defaults, there's something called a risk premium. that means you don't lend money to someone at a low interest rate if you're worried that person can't pay you back. so if we even threaten to default, you're going to see the risk premium, interest rates on what we have to pay for our borrowing go up. right now we have a stock of debt in this country held by the public that's $12 trillion. lets say the interest rate on treasury bills goes up by 1%. that's an extra $120 billio
in the setup piece, consequences of hitting the debt ceiling are catastrophic. the problem is nobody knows just how catastrophic because it's never happened before. we're totally in the realm of economic and financial theory. nobody has any idea what would happen. everybody agrees very bad or very, very bad or very, very, very bad. >> in the very, very category, that's where you are. >> how many veries. >> multiple, before the bad like my friend eamon just said. if you think...
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remember we raised the debt ceiling in january. republicans in december were talking a game about more concessions, budget cuts. ultimately the january debt ceiling increase was essentially a clean increase. the only thing republicans got was that senate democrats had to pass a totally symbolic budget, which is really not much of a concession at all. i think house republicans are able to see reason on this stuff as they did in january. the question is how much government shutdown it will take. >> shng has changed since then. >> what's that? >> ted cruz. >> 2016 that changed it. >> you can see this again with the anonymous house staffer. they understand how ted cruz has changed the national dynamic for primaries. >> and hurt the party in terms of the image of the party being rational and sane. the other thing ted cruz doesn't answer to those people you're talking about. i want to go back to luke. is josh cret there are republicans that see reason, like josh said, a week or two of shutdown, which, by the way, real people will be hurt
remember we raised the debt ceiling in january. republicans in december were talking a game about more concessions, budget cuts. ultimately the january debt ceiling increase was essentially a clean increase. the only thing republicans got was that senate democrats had to pass a totally symbolic budget, which is really not much of a concession at all. i think house republicans are able to see reason on this stuff as they did in january. the question is how much government shutdown it will take....
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move the debt ceiling much further down the road. lets get away from economic calamity, messing consumer confidence in the holidays. lets get back to a semblance of regular order, conferrees on the house and senate side to come in and talk about the budget. that's basically the out lines of what will happen. what needs to happen again -- look, there's still push pull on this. there's still liberal democrats in the senate that say, wait a minute, those guys overreached and we want to get our pound of flesh from it. house republicans are still going to be sitting there saying wait, wait, wait a minute. we've climbed way up this tree. to get down we need something. >> i saw captain phillips this weekend, robert. at one point there's one somali pirate that knows the u.s. navy is effectively laying a trap for him. he's totally crazy but actually right. some part of me thinks these tea party republicans they here about a bicameral, bipartisan budget committee and they have to think no way, not this time. we're here. we're in the mix. we ar
move the debt ceiling much further down the road. lets get away from economic calamity, messing consumer confidence in the holidays. lets get back to a semblance of regular order, conferrees on the house and senate side to come in and talk about the budget. that's basically the out lines of what will happen. what needs to happen again -- look, there's still push pull on this. there's still liberal democrats in the senate that say, wait a minute, those guys overreached and we want to get our...
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kate, john podesta said he thought this was an end to the question of the debt ceiling being used as leverage, that they won't go back to this. what do you think? >> i think if you speak to leadership aides, if you speak to members who are close to leadership, they would think the same thing. you know, that the tea party caucus doesn't have the same kind of force moving forward. one would hope. but they've said that before. you've seen where we've ended up again. i would also argue that there's a number of republicans who don't actually believe that if we defaulted, anything really -- >> would have happened. >> really bad would have happened. and that still remains a problem for all of them. >> that, to me, is fairly shocking, right. yet, to some degree, justin, it's part and parcel of a republican party that's increasingly reliant on its own sets of facts, data, and numbers. it's a worrisome trend that now we're talking about two parties that have different understandings of economics. >> yes. well, misunderstandings. >> one of them has a misunderstanding. >> default denial, i never
kate, john podesta said he thought this was an end to the question of the debt ceiling being used as leverage, that they won't go back to this. what do you think? >> i think if you speak to leadership aides, if you speak to members who are close to leadership, they would think the same thing. you know, that the tea party caucus doesn't have the same kind of force moving forward. one would hope. but they've said that before. you've seen where we've ended up again. i would also argue that...
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john boehner is saying we'll push off this fight to the debt ceiling. they are loading down a crisis that's already critical. the problem is, people talk about the stove, you have to touch the stove to know it's hot. once you touch debt default and united states becomes a deadbeat in the world. you know how you take a plane ride and it says 1,000% safety rating. what if it said 75% safety rating or bungee jump, p 5% safety record. you don't get on the bungee jump, airplane again. who is going to buy bonds once we reneged once. we don't know. the problem is they take his baby -- they kidnap, they grab the baby and ask for the money. in this case they grabbed the money and are asking for the baby. the parent doesn't give away the baby. it's like asking lyndon johnson to give you back medicare, voting rights or civil rights, or fdr to give you back social security. this is who they are historically. i think the democrats also feel this. i think it's one thing without the president being a great leader of the problem, which he's not, for whatever they are s
john boehner is saying we'll push off this fight to the debt ceiling. they are loading down a crisis that's already critical. the problem is, people talk about the stove, you have to touch the stove to know it's hot. once you touch debt default and united states becomes a deadbeat in the world. you know how you take a plane ride and it says 1,000% safety rating. what if it said 75% safety rating or bungee jump, p 5% safety record. you don't get on the bungee jump, airplane again. who is going...
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. >> the debt ceiling is coming, the sequesters are coming. cue the next countdown clock. joining us now from washington, the sage of capitol hill, hardest-working man in news business, nbc's luke russert. the first question i have to ask you, do you sleep, and will you ever get a vacation? >> no and no is the answer right now. >> never. >> i missed it completely. it's funny, my colleagues down on capitol hill, too, missed christmas, missed new year's. new year's eve on capitol hill is quite an experience. nothing like being with oren hatch at the midnight hour. >> getting the fiscal deal, less than an hour to go, but is this just the small battle, and is the real fight willing to come? because republicans are already signaling that they want the debt limit to be when they really stand their ground. >> one of the criticisms people have of pundits and reporters in d.c. is they are always looking ahead to the next thing and we don't digest what's happening enough in front of us, but in all honesty, joy, the fight that happened over the last few weeks in washington, d.c. over
. >> the debt ceiling is coming, the sequesters are coming. cue the next countdown clock. joining us now from washington, the sage of capitol hill, hardest-working man in news business, nbc's luke russert. the first question i have to ask you, do you sleep, and will you ever get a vacation? >> no and no is the answer right now. >> never. >> i missed it completely. it's funny, my colleagues down on capitol hill, too, missed christmas, missed new year's. new year's eve on...
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when lobbyists come down and make the pitch on capitol hill, this debt ceiling is real you see a lot of tea partiers talking about prioritization. i don't believe what treasury department is telling me, what wall street is telling me. they simply don't believe the debt ceiling is a big problem, that's something wall street has been trying to bang into heads as best they can. a lot of those republicans don't listen to wall street in the way as you say the republican party in the past has done. >> they have also -- the other problem they are having, tell republicans we're not going to give you money for campaigns. the republicans they are talking to, tea party types, ted cruz and others, we don't really care. >> they don't need it. >> ted cruz can ostensibly gone along supported by folks like the koch brothers. koch brothers are businessmen, business interesting, they may have laws but they can't alienate all interest in the economy. >> koch brothers company has come out and distanced itself from the shutdown tactic. we never endorsed this as a tactic. we don't like obama care but we n
when lobbyists come down and make the pitch on capitol hill, this debt ceiling is real you see a lot of tea partiers talking about prioritization. i don't believe what treasury department is telling me, what wall street is telling me. they simply don't believe the debt ceiling is a big problem, that's something wall street has been trying to bang into heads as best they can. a lot of those republicans don't listen to wall street in the way as you say the republican party in the past has done....
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he didn't want to threaten another default on the debt ceiling. but here he is being forced into a situation where he has to do both. that's because the motive power in his party from the outside money and more important their thinking is the more trouble we cause and the more criticism we face, the more proof it is that our cause is just. it's very difficult to negotiate with people who believe they are about to become martyrs. >> joan of arc syndrome. >> they want to do it. that's the scary part here. >> with republicans, the degree to which they were itching to shut the government down was kind of fright think. the word was used again and again once it happened how excited they were. they had gotten their goal. so the substance almost doesn't matter if you can just have the driverless car. and the frightening thing about republicans is that no one is in charge. that's the scary part. not the extremist necessarily, certainly not john boehner. remember the indiana congressman last week who said we've been disrespected but we don't know what we wa
he didn't want to threaten another default on the debt ceiling. but here he is being forced into a situation where he has to do both. that's because the motive power in his party from the outside money and more important their thinking is the more trouble we cause and the more criticism we face, the more proof it is that our cause is just. it's very difficult to negotiate with people who believe they are about to become martyrs. >> joan of arc syndrome. >> they want to do it. that's...
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wall street and corporate america are like just lift the debt ceiling. we appreciate you thinking about us here with all these carve outs and giveaways but just raise the debt ceiling. we're losing billions a day as the stock market continue to slide. then if the government shuts down, there will be that much more damage. not only people hurt, market further, people's 401(k) plummets more, then the debt ceiling hostage, we've never been there. >> the stept to which it seems wall street and corporate money lost control of the republican party, their influence is levered or reduced because you have independent donors, right wing donors who want the ideology and provide an alternative set of money. >> the business community used to be and that's completely changed with tea party and outside groups, well funded, well organized conservative groups, the base, more anxious and worried and concerned about the state of the country, in, than they have been in any of our lifetimes. they are the ones now calling the shots in the party because of the house majority,
wall street and corporate america are like just lift the debt ceiling. we appreciate you thinking about us here with all these carve outs and giveaways but just raise the debt ceiling. we're losing billions a day as the stock market continue to slide. then if the government shuts down, there will be that much more damage. not only people hurt, market further, people's 401(k) plummets more, then the debt ceiling hostage, we've never been there. >> the stept to which it seems wall street...
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you hear about this six-week delay of the debt ceiling. talk about grand bargains. the one thing nobody has said, and the reason i think market rise is premature, we still haven't heard what are the republican concession toss democrats, if opening the government and raising the debt limit isn't a concession, which most reasonable people would agree, what exactly are they giving. all we've heard from paul ryan is a shorter, less nutso wish list of things, not defunding obama care but we'll cut medicare. >> there was a recent tell in the op-ed. he talked about entitlement reform in exchange for sequestration relief, changed cpi. since we have a distinguished senator on this program. >> yes, senator. >> i'm wondering what kind of appetite there is for some sort of tradeoff like that? >> cpi. >> entitlement form of some variety in exchange for that two-year sequestration you talked about. >> alex, one thing i would say, this opportunity in the next couple of weeks allows us to start widening the discussion to i think critical for the country. early learning has been a p
you hear about this six-week delay of the debt ceiling. talk about grand bargains. the one thing nobody has said, and the reason i think market rise is premature, we still haven't heard what are the republican concession toss democrats, if opening the government and raising the debt limit isn't a concession, which most reasonable people would agree, what exactly are they giving. all we've heard from paul ryan is a shorter, less nutso wish list of things, not defunding obama care but we'll cut...
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i think they have decided not to go after the debt ceiling. that's anti-american in a sense because you're hurting us. i don't think they have been burned by the stove, that red image everybody uses on government shutdown. i think they thought that's something we can do again. when sean hannity, who is pretty much in sync with the tough crowd, 90 days, lets go. we have a fight coming up. a shot already. we're going for that. which means the fight, by the way, very optimistic statement by patty murray. >> just $91 billion. >> and one doesn't want anything to do with revenues, the other wants start of revenues. in they have differences that aren't going to be sold by christmas eve. >> another argument over what the 2012 election was all about. >> kathleen, and i would go to you on this, i think this is really a fight for the soul of the american party. i don't mean to be grandiose. frank rich wrote a piece, the furies never end. one-third in rebel hands and electorate it represents are no more likely to surrender than a third of the states that
i think they have decided not to go after the debt ceiling. that's anti-american in a sense because you're hurting us. i don't think they have been burned by the stove, that red image everybody uses on government shutdown. i think they thought that's something we can do again. when sean hannity, who is pretty much in sync with the tough crowd, 90 days, lets go. we have a fight coming up. a shot already. we're going for that. which means the fight, by the way, very optimistic statement by patty...
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they really, really think that it would be better not to raise the debt ceiling, and so what you do is let the democrats on it. we take our republicans and save seats. on things where the leadership is in tune with the base, that's going to be a harder push, because then you're asking someone to vote against their own conscience and against their political interest. >> what happens on immigration? here you actually have "gop leadership." marco rubio is selling his plan to bill o'reilly. we don't have time to play the entire sound, but he talks about getti getting. >> you have to know english and be assimilated. >> what does that mean? >> you wait an unspecified amount of time sxushgs don't get access to medicare and social security. there is some kind of plan and some acknowledgment that the 11 million undocumented workers in this country, we can't preserve the status quo. something has to change. is that enough to endear the gop with hispanics, understanding they're not a monolithic vote? >> republican party has an opportunity to overnight change their way towards the white house by w
they really, really think that it would be better not to raise the debt ceiling, and so what you do is let the democrats on it. we take our republicans and save seats. on things where the leadership is in tune with the base, that's going to be a harder push, because then you're asking someone to vote against their own conscience and against their political interest. >> what happens on immigration? here you actually have "gop leadership." marco rubio is selling his plan to bill...
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john boehner, he wants to use any moderate capital to get a debt ceiling. mccarthy doesn't have presidential, paul ryan is the only one who does but he's staking out a far right position. that doesn't leave anybody to take the lead on it. i don't think boehner cares about party pragmatism. he's probably retiring. that's not something one way or another he wants to be his legacy, what he sees as a democratic achievement. he really, really, really wants a grand bargain as much as obama has always wanted one. that's where he's going to put capital if he has it. >> maria, all the reason to try, we were talking in the last block things to push for if not tax increases maybe immigration reform is part of the bargain and everybody can agree. from the point of immigration advocates, how long do you give republicans a window to legitimately come to the table and bargain on this before it is used as a sort of axe to hit them over the head with. >> january 21st 2014, that's what everybody will look at. every single person looking at the congressional members running p
john boehner, he wants to use any moderate capital to get a debt ceiling. mccarthy doesn't have presidential, paul ryan is the only one who does but he's staking out a far right position. that doesn't leave anybody to take the lead on it. i don't think boehner cares about party pragmatism. he's probably retiring. that's not something one way or another he wants to be his legacy, what he sees as a democratic achievement. he really, really, really wants a grand bargain as much as obama has always...
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rather than raise the debt ceiling, the bill temporarily suspends it. meaning a vote will be held at some future point to determine whether to pay off the debt retroactively. secondly, this is a larger scheme to move the battle over the deficit and spending to a place where the republicans feel they have more leverage. the gop hashed plans for a republican revolution. politico report s speaker john boehner, using paul ryan as his salesman, urged his members to make their stand on the budget and sequesters. jake sherman writes, in roughly 48 hours, the republicans went from defense to offense and retreated to the debt ceiling must be matched by spending cuts. it was the swiftest and most drastic position switch in boehner's speakership. it was not lost on kevin mccarthy who said, "what they'll say after that vote, this is the day of the comeback." maybe if comeback also conotes fractious and uncertain strategy. with no democratic support, the way could go the way of boehner's plan b if just seven republicans break rank. and they still have to contend wit
rather than raise the debt ceiling, the bill temporarily suspends it. meaning a vote will be held at some future point to determine whether to pay off the debt retroactively. secondly, this is a larger scheme to move the battle over the deficit and spending to a place where the republicans feel they have more leverage. the gop hashed plans for a republican revolution. politico report s speaker john boehner, using paul ryan as his salesman, urged his members to make their stand on the budget and...
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we'll be talking about the debt ceiling. those things, the sequester, it's all the same story. it's broken government. it's no way to govern. you can't just make across the board spending cuts and leave yourself no flexibility to respond to situations. no one in the private sector would run a company that way. the fact we're running a government that way, that was a big clue right there that we have broken government and now we're seeing and even more floored manifestation of it. >> really quick exit question to you, sam. do we wind up with one big ominous negotiation that throws the debt limit, sequestration and cr all into one? is that your prediction? >> it's one possible outcome. you're starting to see more members mention that because the shutdown is happening, because there's very little sense of a resolution down the road. they might just tie everything together with the debt limit issue. but, you know, if you look at it, i don't see how the two sides get together on that issue, too, if the conditions are we're going to defund obama care and if the democrats are insistin
we'll be talking about the debt ceiling. those things, the sequester, it's all the same story. it's broken government. it's no way to govern. you can't just make across the board spending cuts and leave yourself no flexibility to respond to situations. no one in the private sector would run a company that way. the fact we're running a government that way, that was a big clue right there that we have broken government and now we're seeing and even more floored manifestation of it. >>...
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that's why we have the debt ceiling crisis of 2011. when you had the financial services industry going to capitol hill signature them down telling them if you let this happen, here is what will happen to the economy. folks are like, so what? that's what we're here for. >> very quickly. >> i think it's a mistake to think they are thinking rationally about this sort of thing. establishment republicans or tea party or anyone else. if they were thinking rationally, we'd be making investments instead of deficits. >> last word goes to you, ezra klein, excellent husband and wonderful, everything she writes, good man there, is there any hope we might see in future negotiations, this one will expire in 2014 some movement in the direction of investment at least in unemployment benefits? >> i do think in 2014 there's hope some kind of deal is cut. if it is cut it's going to be a very constrained investment, not a full extension. one last point. luke made a good point how these go into the economy. one thing republicans do get you take taxes they
that's why we have the debt ceiling crisis of 2011. when you had the financial services industry going to capitol hill signature them down telling them if you let this happen, here is what will happen to the economy. folks are like, so what? that's what we're here for. >> very quickly. >> i think it's a mistake to think they are thinking rationally about this sort of thing. establishment republicans or tea party or anyone else. if they were thinking rationally, we'd be making...
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. >> debt ceiling. >> the debt ceiling stuff. it seems like this is a city that he gets -- he is more of an insider in washington than he was four years ago. i will say about the denis mcdonough appointment, it's good to finally see a white guy get a top job. it's really -- they've been shut out. >> they gave him a chance. >> thanks god. >> there's a reason why this was held up. the president jokes about saying it's the best kept secret in washington. we've all known. we've all reported in various ways that he is the choice. what did they do yesterday? they appointed a female to be lady of the s.e.c. it mattered. the scheduling worked to stack this one today zoosh the optics on it. >> i actually had thought he was already named chief of staff. that's how bad the secret was. we have to take a break, but when we come back, senators and frenemies. they strike a deal for the much maligned filibuster. is it still business as usual in the upper chamber? we'll discuss next. with the spark cash card from capital one, olaf gets great rewa
. >> debt ceiling. >> the debt ceiling stuff. it seems like this is a city that he gets -- he is more of an insider in washington than he was four years ago. i will say about the denis mcdonough appointment, it's good to finally see a white guy get a top job. it's really -- they've been shut out. >> they gave him a chance. >> thanks god. >> there's a reason why this was held up. the president jokes about saying it's the best kept secret in washington. we've all...
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this republican wave of obstruction that we saw in and around raising the debt ceiling and reopening the government continues in i think a more insidious way with these nominations. i wonder, glen, harry reid talked about the nuclear option, which is using simple majority to clear nominees. that was put down as it were. some concessions were made. do you think democrats after all of the battles that have been waged in the last two months throw their hands up and say, you know what, it's time to use the nuclear option. >> any time republicans aren't talking about obama care rollout in the debacle they are losing. it's interesting to me they would decide to pick this fight right at this particular point in time. there's a number of reasons why they are doing this. the first is you've got a lot of republicans up in cycle. when you're talking about lindsey graham talking about blocking janet yellin. that is clearly in-state politics they are doing. i think it's nuts for them to create, give democrats the opportunity to soapbox on an issue when all the republicans right now from a politic
this republican wave of obstruction that we saw in and around raising the debt ceiling and reopening the government continues in i think a more insidious way with these nominations. i wonder, glen, harry reid talked about the nuclear option, which is using simple majority to clear nominees. that was put down as it were. some concessions were made. do you think democrats after all of the battles that have been waged in the last two months throw their hands up and say, you know what, it's time to...
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they want an obama care deal or a debt ceiling deal. they won't come to the table on those. one interesting wrinkle is this might be in certain ways bad for the republican narrative on obama care. imagine the government shuts down, as i think now there's a real chance it will on september 30th. we're at the beginning of obama care. all the sudden, there are going to be givelitches, bad stories about things that go on. this is a big deal. the reason they're going wrong is the government is shutting down and they don't have any money. the thing republicans could have used to rally support will now be blamed on them again. >> it's self-defeating, but in some ways they can't help themselves. there are 40, 50, 60 republicans since they've come in after the 2010 elections. they want chaos. they're like the joker. they like chaos. they want to destroy. they may call it creative construction, but they want to shut down the government. they want to bring the president to his knees. they'll go down fighting for this. boehner cannot keep this bottled up forever. it just keeps coming ba
they want an obama care deal or a debt ceiling deal. they won't come to the table on those. one interesting wrinkle is this might be in certain ways bad for the republican narrative on obama care. imagine the government shuts down, as i think now there's a real chance it will on september 30th. we're at the beginning of obama care. all the sudden, there are going to be givelitches, bad stories about things that go on. this is a big deal. the reason they're going wrong is the government is...
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once they passed it they didn't want -- >> afraid they might do something on the debt ceiling. >> to what has happened in the senate, i think it is more a story of the republican party and the transformation of the republican party. >> becoming a house party. >> having the ted cruzes and marco rubio,ous groups, heritage action scoring important votes and also, you know, we don't have -- there are no more olympia snows, ted stephens. >> rules built for an earlier time when partisanship was not as intense and more people willing to negotiate. these rules genuinely don't work with either side in power in this particular moment. rules are quite weird. most governments in the world function with simple majorities in one house much less three. i think really interesting is what going to happen when one party controls. the senate has been able to get some stuff done relatively speaking. the real sort of wall right now is the republican house. we're not really going to see the real repercussions until one party controls all three branches. >> when are we going to get that? >> could be a repu
once they passed it they didn't want -- >> afraid they might do something on the debt ceiling. >> to what has happened in the senate, i think it is more a story of the republican party and the transformation of the republican party. >> becoming a house party. >> having the ted cruzes and marco rubio,ous groups, heritage action scoring important votes and also, you know, we don't have -- there are no more olympia snows, ted stephens. >> rules built for an earlier...
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it seems like john boehner did it on -- he did it on the debt ceiling. he did it on sandy aid. could it be -- could his days be numbered? >> after the fiscal cliff. he promised he wouldn't do it again. he told his members. he has said that he won't do it again, but there's going to be pressure on a ton of issues, and, you know, for him it's going to be a personal decision. in some ways that's how it's framed in washington whether it comes down to whether or not there will be a continuation of the hastert rule. it's about speakership. >> in terms of let's say it's a rosier picture than we thought it would be on gun safety laws. i guess how much of that rosyness carries through on immigration. it could really go either way, i think. there is still a debate over the path to sit sflenship. >> as well as on immigration frankly. i'm not down there counting votes, and howard might be -- you put a number 30, 40 house republicans that would be for some sort of gun control. on immigration it almost seems like the numbers are closer to 100. especially in some of the conservative districts
it seems like john boehner did it on -- he did it on the debt ceiling. he did it on sandy aid. could it be -- could his days be numbered? >> after the fiscal cliff. he promised he wouldn't do it again. he told his members. he has said that he won't do it again, but there's going to be pressure on a ton of issues, and, you know, for him it's going to be a personal decision. in some ways that's how it's framed in washington whether it comes down to whether or not there will be a...
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you do have to contend with the debt ceiling. there are all these things that you have to do an these guys seem willing to do nothing. and again just halt the process. and in turn get far less of what they'd ever want. so in that sense, yes. by blocking all the legislation that they've had, they've actually then kind of come out with worse deals for themselves. now we have a system where -- not a system. i'm sorry. we now have legislation or we'll have like old obama policies still in effect because they haven't changed whatever -- they haven't passed new laws. so i think that for sure -- i mean i think that what jonathan is saying is correct. i would also say though that under ordinary circumstances when the house works, things go very quickly an having the senate as a brake pedal is a good thing. >> let me just focus actually specifically on these fill bust e ers. this was as much about sticking it to the president for his nominees as to the very offices they fill. richard cordray is going to be head of the consumer financial p
you do have to contend with the debt ceiling. there are all these things that you have to do an these guys seem willing to do nothing. and again just halt the process. and in turn get far less of what they'd ever want. so in that sense, yes. by blocking all the legislation that they've had, they've actually then kind of come out with worse deals for themselves. now we have a system where -- not a system. i'm sorry. we now have legislation or we'll have like old obama policies still in effect...